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So long as you are earnestly seeking reality you are lost in make a believe world that includes eanestly seeking.

 
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...Hope- you say! What a millstone to reach for , what a surrendering of will, I use the word reluctantly even though i do so properly only in the negative. AS When there is no such option, not such escape, and i am forced to rely on my strenght or submit to my weakness rather than to hang on to a thieving fantasy.
Next to avoiding hope i put the expression- god's will, what failure that implies! oh what devilish trap.
jeremy dear may i ask you a favour, would you consider scaling down your quest to a greater more important and more worthy an opus, which should be in line with your expertize , interest and could comfortably be dealt by your ample and capable mind... woul you consider -just consider! identifying and separating from the committy produced figure of christ, that historically nebulous and angelical figure of gentle teacher from which the usurping catalogue like hero had been modeled upon. it was one of my secret ambitions, To reveal the real jesus! I started too many times trying to rescue the great teacher from the charlatan and its accreuements, but am not suited with a ordely and analitical mind, and always feared i might do more arm to jesus by my ineptitude. i am not a scholar, you sir, are!
now this -in my view- is something long overdue, and ultimately vindicating.

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What or who is Jesus? Is this not the question you pose? He is neither angelic nor heroic. In fact, he is a failure. But let us not read this statement outside of its proper context. He is a failure precisely insofar as his life led to no real break in the situation. He came from nowhere, for a time was a someone, accrued those followers who glimpsed in him something higher than those animal interests so common in our species. But in the final hour all left him: his monument was little more than the tattered clothing of a common Jew, once a disciple "committed unto death" in this Nazarene cause, left behind when their owner fled for his life at the first sign of opposition. Pilate certainly never said the words "Ecce homo!" Perhaps only to ridicule this worm standing before him. Perhaps only appended to the gospel letter long after the fact. Here was no man, but something much less!


But you understand the radical break in history the death of this worm would wreak. Had the story ended with the crucifixion we would be left with any other self-deluded messianic fool, a lesson for other fools. History is replete with them. The life and death of this madman had zero consequences within the previous order. All those who were formerly willing to die with him (and declared so!), now returned to the sea whence they had been called with the tails between their legs. Zero consequences=zero Event. Ah but the world and ages this void would soon fill! No angels, no heroes present.. but grace was present.


We will not speak of "historicity." A truth is not of the historical order. We will speak of a break within a situation, a "creative novelty" if there ever was one. We will speak of maximal consequences, of the maximal existence of an inexistent. Why else is the Nazarene's "biography" so repugnant to St. Paul? It is clear that it is so because it is the biography of a madman and failure. It is a lesson for fools. But St. Paul is no fool! For him it is clear that the Resurrection retroactively reinstates this man from Nazareth: not his virgin birth, not his life among his disciples (Paul has no interest in biography), but his Death. This is so because the Death immanentizes the possibility of the Resurrection.


If we are to locate the meaning of Jesus in the regime of the given, it is here at this impossible moment, at this hole punched into the cosmos, a void circumscribed by being's appearance. That this void had such consequences is not a fantastic determination. This is merely its historical and political one. Fantasy is not a proper designate here. It belonged to the previous order of Messianic nationalism (an order Judas himself defended and grew disenchanted with). We are reminded of René Magritte's famous painting of a pipe with the inscription "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" beneath it. Here too might we not inscribe the historical Nazarene with the words: "Ceci n'est pas un Immortel"?

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Me- extemporaneously: Holy Cow!
Now I will scartch my arse a bit, recall a thundering storm approaching me out in farm cvountry and passing by dropping by a couple of big drops of rain... ah yes, barely the smell of it . Yeah Then I shall read it again and try to figout where my question got lost in the answer. Very interesting... very interesting... Oh and thanks.

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me, later me- Upon reflection I am offended in theory. You call my Jesus a Worm?! Of course if you had read that pile of barn detritus of mine (the book of maybes) as you should have, as a scolar, a anthropologist, you would have found some jewels hidden there and in chapter so and so I adress- primus e tribus impostoribus,(ex tempore terzius[oder viceversa])- as a scoundrel! I curse him thus: get out of my way Jesus! You impostor...scoundrel, how dare you take away my sins! You soul thief, you rob me , you take away my right to save myself etc. etc ... Oh yeah, I remember now- I quote his intention " here claudio, I died for you!" HOW DARE YOU!!! "you are saved and forever unable to save yourself, to do better, and forever in my debt!"" HOW DARE YOU!! (I remember Eric ghasping his approval in shock [ theoretically]) So You see me/I too throw out the baby with the bath water sometime! I really did not mean jesus, I meant that Nicean smorgesburg in which the original is in the gravy.

Anyways Jeremy dear, this is only across the bow, you inspired me to buy tripes you know that! Haven't had tripes for so long ! It takes six hours to boil it down to chewable consistency, I guess another couple I will add to it to make it gummable. All the dogs of Trail's west side will be howling at my kitchen window by then! Then Ah, add garlic -bayleaves tomato paste and patotoes and serve with plenty of grated reggiano.. if you interested. There! if nothing ellse you are allowed to be theoretically offended now.
catch you later... do append (Hang!) here your ire sire... if you wishfer sir.

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There is A DEVIL IN THIS MACHINE !It is driving me crazy, it is making my work disappear just when I am finishEd,I worked hard and- right or wrong- I am pleased with my work.... poof gone! Sometimes it behaves like a mule and won't do anything. I poke it, or whirl the curser here and there, try the esc button, mainly I do because it has never worked, when ever I am hung up or are crashing I try esc, like I am giving it another chance, I mean its isn't a fighter jet esc system, so it is not imperative, it has to work, no but still i PRESS IT JUST TO SEE.. AND HERE Goes the stupid caps lock, it always works , never fails, I mean this one button I never had to use in nearly twenty years, but I just touch it and bang i AM ON THE HIGHER ORBIT AND I don't know it... ahahha THere it was gain the stupid thing. I actually like to find out what are the condiytion necessary for the stupid escape button to work, I would go through the list, just to get it to work once even if I find out that I would never never have to use the stupid key. But no. It remains a mistery. So as I was saying this thing decides to play mule, or hide and seek, catch me if you can is one it likes. Sometimes I don't know where i am at or what I should do. So I retreat to youtube and decide to listen to some music to calm myself, Vivaldi say, and it starts scrolling the list up and down like a mad yoyo.. I wait till it tires to move the curser and as soon as I try to sneak int on to one... hell! any! ANYYY! of the options stacked up on the side, way it goes again, up and down again like it is splitting its sides laughing at me as I desperatly try to hit one of the selections as they wizz by like windows of a speeding train. Sometime I am unable to proceed, delete, desist, escape turn it off or do anything. I am going to cry for a bit and then trow it out the window.. But no, I can't goive up, and I have two of them, so I try the new toshiba net book. Maybe it will work... it has not learned all the tricks yet, but it has some new ones that I never have experienced with the trusty e-machine, so I am flummoxed easy. Lots Ot times It gets me because it works like it is supposed to and so there I sit with fingers hanging over the keybord unable to proceed AGAIN ...uNABLE TO THINK WHAT TO HAVE HIM DO NEXT. OH SHIT THERE GOES MY PERPETUA! sHE NEVEER FAILS.- i AM GOING TO quit!! Back to nibs and quills...

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dear jer, i am watching horizon-the story of india-by michael wood, enjyoing so much and truly considering giving up all other functions of this mean, because -though i manage to get something done now and then, it is not even by the method of million monkeys at a million typewriters, but one hairbrained monkey furiously going at it for a million years at a milliont typewriters. yeah if i can just get some music and a few lectures, i should go back to nibs and ink pots if not quills altogether. maybe it will pass, and maybe it was as jesus said i built a house on a bridge. should i take a chance and answer to the ding when I finally get Vivaldi's gloria to play ..et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis... and what a curse is implied on that saying and on this gorgeous music of hell.
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-I think He said that already!

On 3/20/11, claudio ianora wrote:
> doing everything wrong... nah, wrong is a way of doing things, i am not even
> there because i am confused.......................
Christ, I said that already!!!!!!!!!..-goodbye cruel digital world...
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fuck!
You learn about India, I write and write. An excerpt from the latest:


-And boy he does write and write and write. I Paste, I try ... be good if it works and it gives you an idea..

-In the three distortions of the Good, or Evil: the simulacrum, betrayal, forced naming, one now observes the three negative possibilities open to the faithful subject-to-a-truth. Having answered the previous question, “What is Evil?” we are now in a position to answer the earlier question regarding change. For Badiou, change is indeed the result of (and results in) a faithful pointal decision. “Change” should be equated with “novelty” insofar as one thinks a break in a situation. This break occurs not just at the level of language and knowledge, by introducing a new name in a situation, a discontinuation in the order of a situation’s linguistic or encyclopaedic regime, but also in a subject, actualizing the “disinterested-interested”[1] constituent of the human animal, a process realizing the potential all have to be Immortal. This is why Badiou predicates his notion of novelty with “creative.” Within the establishment of capital “novelty” is never “creative” in that it is little more than self-perpetuating production punctuated by varying material commodification. There is no break in the established process in other words, but rather a powerful (perhaps unstoppable) re-production. The Evental break, on the other hand, is not of the same order of a situation. It is a hole “punched” in the situation,[2] manifested by the appearance of what was not there before. Change is therefore associated with the “after” of an appearance, in this appearance itself, founded within the order of the name and the subject: within its languages and bodies, and within the order of a truth.
Let us take, for example, the situation “France 1791.” Here we may locate a break within the situation which we will identify with the names “Déclaration des droits de la femme et de la citoyenne” or “Politics of Equality.” It was common, before this break, for “woman” to be reduced in the following ways:


Les hommes, par la prérogative de leur sexe & par la force de leur tempérament, sont naturellement capables de toutes sortes d'emplois & d'engagemens; au lieu que les femmes, soit à cause de la fragilité de leur sexe & de leur délicatesse naturelle, sont excluses de plusieurs fonctions, & incapables de certains engagemens.[3]

And he goes on and on, in 1791 of all times, he could have looked into Bayle's dictionnaire and described the latest model of the butter churner for christ's sake!
but no! HE IS ON lE DROITS dE lA fEMME eT DES Hommes- 1791
All I asked was for him to help me find Jesus.
So anyways I read and read and I don't really need to read 1791 droits des' hommes:
...- On dit vulgairement qu'il faut deux femmes pour faire un témoin: ce n'est pas néanmoins que les dépositions des femmes se comptent dans cette proportion arithmétique, relativement aux dépositions des hommes, cela est seulement fondé sur ce que le témoignage des femmes en général est leger & sujet à variation; c'est pourquoi l'on y a moins d'égard qu'aux dépositions des hommes

And finally:
La nature semble avoir conféré aux hommes le droit de gouverner. Les femmes ont eu recours à l'art pour s'affranchir...
This is the situation “France 1791” in which the break “Déclaration des droits de la femme et de la citoyenne” will take place. Even after the previous break named “Déclaration des droits de l'Homme et du citoyen” of 1789, which declared that “Les hommes naissent et demeurent libres et égaux en droits” [Men are born and remain free and equal in rights], there arose the question of the place of “femme” within the designation “hommes.” That the declaration of 1789 did not provide an answer in the positive was so clearly pointed out by the Marquis de Condorcet:



The break finally comes with the Declaration of September 1791. In it Olympe de Gouges, in complete fidelity to the Revolution, will declare:


Article I: “La Femme naît libre et demeure égale à l’homme en droits.”[8]
[Woman is born free and remains equal to man in rights.]

And now this stupid computer works just fine, so I read reams and reams of the stuff, and it isn't really bad, but absolutelky uneccessary, yet I reafd on and on just because (I suspect) this stupid thing is letting me, and I (wonder) if Jeremy wrote and wrote on and on just because something was letting him!

Article X: Nul ne doit être inquiété pour ses opinions mêmes fondamentales, la femme a le droit de monter sur l 'échafaud; elle doit avoir également celui de monter à la Tribune; pourvu que ses manifestations ne troublent pas l'ordre public établi par la Loi.
[No person shall be molested for his most basic opinions, the woman has the right to mount the scaffold, she must equally have the right to mount the rostrum, provided that her demonstrations do not disturb the public order established by the Law.]


Article VI: “La Loi doit être l'expression de la volonté générale; toutes les Citoyennes et Citoyens doivent concourir personnellement ou par leurs représentants, à sa formation; elle doit être la même pour tous: toutes les Citoyennes et tous les Citoyens, étant égaux à ses yeux, doivent être également admissibles à toutes dignités, places et emplois publics, selon leurs capacités, et sans autres distinctions que celles de leurs vertus et de leurs talents.”
[The Law must be an expression of the general will, and all citizens must participate personally or through their representatives in its formation; it must be the same for everyone: all female and male citizens, being equal in its eyes, should be equally eligible to all dignities, public places and employments, according to their capabilities, and without other distinctions than those of their virtues and talents.]


In these three declarative articles, de Gouges names the inexistent of the three previous situations duty, voice, and governance: that is “woman.” In:


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In should now be understood what Badiou means by a break in a situation, a hole punched in the presented order. The rupture in the situation “France 1791” named a previous inexistent, the appearance of a previously unnamed subject, the consequences of which extend to this day. That this subject would not return to its former inexistence (such as the disciples of the Nazarene did) is made clear in the statement: “la femme a le droit de monter sur l 'échafaud,” and its author certainly did, on November 3rd 1793, rather than betray her fidelity.




[1] Ibid., 49.
[2] Ibid, 43.
[3] Antoine-Gaspard Boucher d'Argis, "Femme," Encyclopédie ou Dictionnaire raisonné des sciences, des arts et des métiers, 6:475–476
[4] All translations are my own.
[5] Antoine-Gaspard Boucher d'Argis, "Femme," Encyclopédie ou Dictionnaire raisonné des sciences, des arts et des métiers, 6:475–476
[6] Joseph-François-Édouard de Corsembleu de Desmahis, "Femme," Encyclopédie ou Dictionnaire raisonné des sciences, des arts et des métiers, 6:473(Paris, 1756).
[7]Sur l’admission des femmes au droit de cité. (1790) Jean-Antoine-Nicolas de Caritat, marquis de Condorcet
http://classiques.uqac.ca/classiques/condorcet/admission_femmes_droit_de_cite/admission_femmes_droit_de_cite.html
[8] http://www.inlibroveritas.net/lire/oeuvre1465.html Déclaration des droits de la femme et de la citoyenne de 1791 Olympe de Gouges.
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I know now why he wrote and wrote as well as why i READ AND READ!!! sO i LET HIM IN ON IT
jeremy gOD may relate to the creative impulse, hE MAY HAVE THAT PURPOSE, OR WE MAY let him, BUT KNOWW THIS!!! That which dictates castes and mores, Writing and reading and everything also is eternally THE ECONOMY!!! THE ECONOMY JEREMY! Economy rules! forms!! distinguishes separates! elevates! enslaves! In india -still watching michael wood- one woman of the untouchable was elected leader of a province of 170 million constituents. I was a knobby kneed kid when i understood that all rolls on on the economy of the world, the systems, culture, values, sentiments, poetry, beaquty et al. Wrongly we are led to think that ideas and culture change and effect progress, But It is always the economy that moves things one way or another. So, knowing this , I today am asking myself, can we in the west keep getting deeper and deeper in debt to aquire abits we cannot afford and materials we cannot afford, not need and not have room for just so that the east may rise according to the displacing activities of the economy and eventually dominate us so that we may be enslaved in turn to produce for the nouveau riche of the next top economies...
by the way this thing is working to-night!!! it isw late. I like the south east france pronunciations, alors comme on ditt en provence', bonne' nuitte' .
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You learn about India, I write and write. An excerpt from the latest:

In the three distortions of the Good, or Evil: the simulacrum, betrayal, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHAT THE HELL!!!![No person shall be molested for his most basic opinions, the woman has the right to mount the scaffold, she must equally have the right to mount the rostrum, provided that her demonstrations do not disturb the public order established by the Law.]
Article VI: “La Loi doit être l'expression de la volonté générale; toutes les Citoyennes et Citoyens doivent concourir personnellement ou par leurs représentants, à sa formation; elle doit être la même pour tous: toutes les Citoyennes et tous les Citoyens, étant égaux à ses yeux, doivent être également admissibles à toutes dignités, places et emplois publics, selon leurs capacités, et sans autres distinctions que celles de leurs vertus et de leurs talents.”[The Law must be an expression of the general will, and all citizens must participate personally or through their representatives in its formation; it must be the same for everyone: all female and male citizens, being equal in its eyes, should be equally eligible to all dignities, public places and employments, according to their capabilities, and without other distinctions than those of their virtues and talents.]
In these three declarative articles, de Gouges names the inexistent of the three previous situations duty, voice, and governance: that is “woman.” In:
Duty: Against the natural absence of woman in the order of rights and her inability to perform a duty: The affirmation of her existence and equality in right and liberty (Article I).Voice: Against the necessary supplementation of her testimony: Woman’s voice must be heard without hierarchical prejudice, from equally high places as any man, and with equal weight (Article X).Governance: Against the claim that woman is by nature not suited to govern, that she is by nature not political: Woman, by nature and by right must not be excluded from politically participating in all “dignités” or public employment.
In should now be understood what Badiou means by a break in a situation, a hole punched in the presented order. The rupture in the situation “France 1791” named a previous inexistent, the appearance of a previously unnamed subject, the consequences of which extend to this day. That this subject would not return to its former inexistence (such as the disciples of the Nazarene did) is made clear in the statement: “la femme a le droit de monter sur l 'échafaud,” and its author certainly did, on November 3rd 1793, rather than betray her fidelity.


[1] Ibid., 49.[2] Ibid, 43.[3] Antoine-Gaspard Boucher d'Argis, "Femme," Encyclopédie ou Dictionnaire raisonné des sciences, des arts et des métiers, 6:475–476[4] All translations are my own.[5] Antoine-Gaspard Boucher d'Argis, "Femme," Encyclopédie ou Dictionnaire raisonné des sciences, des arts et des métiers, 6:475–476[6] Joseph-François-Édouard de Corsembleu de Desmahis, "Femme," Encyclopédie ou Dictionnaire raisonné des sciences, des arts et des métiers, 6:473(Paris, 1756).[7]Sur l’admission des femmes au droit de cité. (1790) Jean-Antoine-Nicolas de Caritat, marquis de Condorcethttp://classiques.uqac.ca/classiques/condorcet/admission_femmes_droit_de_cite/admission_femmes_droit_de_cite.html[8] http://www.inlibroveritas.net/lire/oeuvre1465.html Déclaration des droits de la femme et de la citoyenne de 1791 Olympe de Gouges.

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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I just remembered what I came here to say! None of the above of course, I was chewing tripes thinking how I could do to get Jeremy's mind off the circular siding he is on and serious play what is my line with me and
finally get to know the real jesus. It was then that a thought streaked through my mind like a metheor, and it was a reflection on miracles. Like I always thought that the real jesus would not have bothered with miracles any more than he would have considered a pianola and a spider monkey. miracles by their very nature- that is that they are outside the norm and rarely applicable- are useless except as an attraction gymmick, and further more jesus would have known that if he had to perform miracles for people to believe in him he would have accomplished nothing at all. Any ways thyat Is what I was going to write about, then I could not find the cursor, That to haPPEns to me. Got mad, and when I finally found it I forgot what I needed the cursor for and what i wanted to write. And now I don't feel like it anymore. THat too, happens quite often to me, like I am smoking grass, and then Jeremy bouncing here and there and back to 1791 too. I have yet to find anyone that is not crazy one way or another. But lqt4ly I found that it is necessary and I for one could not have lived without it /. I was going to explain it to Eric, because he is as crazt as a ooting howl,that we all have to fight the same great battle, and yes family and culture aFFECT sOME homogenuity but at the personal level everyone of us reserves a supcon chracteristic that helps him cope in the struggle, and it is as varied as it is personal and non negotiable. I call it the Your solution my problem principle. THis personal weirdness that we nurse as our solution snd intimate inner refuge, being different from father to son, mother daughter friends etcc is usually a cause for conflict. I as father Like my personal solution and cannot accept my son adopting a different expression of it. He likes ear rings, i DON'T AND SO ON. so i FINALLY, AFTER DECADES of arguing about stupid things like that I came upon the formula that is valid for me as it is for my son or anyone.

ONE MAN'S SOLUTION IS ANOTHER MAN's PROBLEM
.Your solution is my problem. IT is up to me to accept it and deal with it rather than to deny it and try to impose my choice solution to your specific need and understanding. This too I did not intend to write about... mmmh what a wind bag I am getting to be, and all for nothing , since the solution/problem princiople is also effective here and with Jeremy and every reader in the world. And boy does it become an ocean when the same principle is extended to cover conventional, fundamental, and natural solutioons. Such solutions as family and love! They will have to be extirpated if this homo is ever to achieve peace and supernatural relevance.
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