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An unusual approach to Archeology and pre-history

 In 1932, at Kilgreany near Dungarvan in Co. Waterford, a cave was excavated by archaeologists from Bristol Univ. with perplexing results.  The findings were so out of touch with conventional archaeological thinking of the time that they were quietly filed away and conveniently forgotten.

 In 1994 while researching my own family history I happened to find the file in Dungarvan Library and decided to follow it up.  I visited the site and realised it was only a coupled of miles from my maternal ancestors home.  When I mentioned it to my mother, who now lives in Dublin,  she told me her brother Jack worked on the dig.  Unfortunately he had died the previous year but she was able to fill me in on  local knowledge of the situation. 

The cave had been discovered by an amateur archaeologist in 1916.  He had made a sketchy search but did not mess it up.  He discovered Bronze Age artifacts and some bones and reported his findings to the archeological fraternity.  An official (TCD) dig was undertaken (1922ish) but the findings were decidedly odd and they sort of dropped the project.

Basically if you dig a hole down into the earth the youngest finds are at the top and the oldest at the bottom. At Kilgreany the material was 'mixed up' in some way.  They did not fully realise the implications in 1922.  Ten years later 'state of the art' procedures were applied but instead of giving answers it raised even more questions. The material was properly labelled according to depth etc and put away for a later date.  Among the discoveries were two skeletons.

Many years later when RCD became available someone remembered the Kilgreany material.  An attempt was made at dating the skeletons
to  try to make sense of the 1932 dig.  The 'higher' skeleton known as KilgreanyA was dated as 1000 years older than KilgreanyB which was entirely the wrong way round. "A" should have been lower down.

Bone fragments of animals and birds and other materials brought to light further similar anomolies.  The whole subject was wrapped
up and put away because they had no answers.  However copies of all the digs and subsequent investigations were lodged in Dungarvan library.

 Applying lateral thinking to the problem I eventually came to conclude  that the only non-archeological explanation was that the calcic material within the cave was washed into the cave by a flood. There are reasons to be outlined why such an outlandish proposition is feasible


Initially I formed the opinion that KilgreanyB was drowned in the flood and deposited in the cave while KilgreanyA had died in the cave 1000 years previously and the skeleton was lying on the surface at the moment of ingress and was washed upwards to end up above KilgreanyB but I wasn't happy with the loose ends.

 RCD is a very inexact science and is now somewhat discredited due to persistent anomolities which keep turning up in tests done on animal and human remains particularly around 1800BC +/- 300.

 RCD is now being cross-checked with Dendrochronology and pollen analysis to find out why the Atomic theory does not hold up.  Part of the fallout of this new cynicism is that Newgrange has now had it's inception date shifted back ANOTHER five hundred years. It now stands at 3100 BC. I'm convinced they will eventually arrive at my date of 3500BC as being the date of it's commencement.            


The whole thing is very embarrassing for a range of disciplines. It is a monumental impertinence to even think that it might be possible that the whole subject of the half-life-decay of radio-active isotopes is in question.  But there is a deep suspicion that something decidedly odd happened at many archaeological sites along the Eastern Atlantic seaboard about 1800BC +/- 300 and RCD is no help.   

 I hold a (very) wild card theoryy that an answer which they will not face and which would make liars of many distinguished archeological 'experts' is staring them in the face.

RCD is based on an ASSUMPTION that when a living body dies it stops 'producing' the radio-active isotope Carbon 14.  It is also ASSUMED that IC14 can only be produced in living matter while it is alive. RCD is based entirely on these ASSUMPTIONS.  I have a suspicious and devious mind and have never been prepared to accept ANYTHING at face value especially when based on ASSUMPTIONS.

 IC14 is supposed to have a half-life of 5500 years.  For the moment I won't dispute the theory of half-life in radio-active material because I have no qualifications in Nuclear Science to back me up.  All RCD is based on that 5500yr half-life.  MOST of the time this SEEMS to work and I can live with that for the moment.

 But I can not live with the two ASSUMPTIONS referred to above.

 WHAT IF  a bone were to be exposed to a blast of Radioactivity 1000 years after it had 'died' and thus became 'injected' with a NEW charge of IC14.  WHAT IF it spent the next 2500 years or so 'half-lifing away to it's hearts content.  WHAT IF it was then dug up and tested.  Is it conceivable that an RCD test might assume it to be 1000 years younger than it actually was?

 WHAT IF two humans were killed on the same day but one had been subjected to a massive dose of radiation while the other had not. WHAT IF the radiation altered the assumed half-life of IC14 in such a way that RCD done on both remains 3000 years later showed the one which had been subjected to radiation to be 1000 years older on the face of it?  There is no doubt in my mind that the debris in the Kilgreany cave was deposited there in one instalment and the randomness of the debris in 'age', position & composition lends credence to such an hypothesis.

 Our problem is not perhaps that one skeleton is '1000 years older' but that they got a 'true ' reading for one and a wrong reading for the other. 

Archaeologists cannot accept such an idea because it does not fit the 'knowledge' of how things are SUPPOSED to be in archaeology. It would not be the first time scientists have got it wrong as witness the amount of back-pedalling in astronomy since Galileo was jailed for suggesting that the earth rotated around the sun rather than vice versa;  or when Isaac Asimov declared that the rotation of Venus would be found to be different from all the other planets in the solar system and "Voyager" proved him right.


Then there is the extraordinary situation of Dun Aengus on Aranmore
where half a circular fort dated to earlier than 2000BC sits on the
edge of a sheer cliff and defies rational explanation as to to how
it got there and is the way it is.  UNLESS.... you are prepared to
examine the possibility that the whole SW side of Aranmore broke
away at a geological fault line and collapsed into the sea sometime
after 2000BC!  Could there have been a huge earth tremor in 1800BC?

The recent discovery that the Ceide bog was not formed over eons but
was commenced this side of 4000BC and was probably as a result of a
sudden catastrophic event is further proof of something decidely odd
happening to Ireland in the relatively recent past eg 1800BC+/-300.
When I studied Geography (1954-1962) we were taught that the Irish
bogs were formed about the time of the last Ice-Age say 10000BC and
took thousands of years to develop to their present condition. This
is now shown by the Ceide fields studies to be total and un-sullied
turf-manure.  The fields under the bog date to about 3500BC +/-500.

Finally there is substantial evidence to suggest that Newgrange
(known to have been constructed about 3300BC) was sodded over at a
later date.  Experts can offer no explanation as to why this should
have been done.  I think it was to stop the original stone assembly
being dismantled by earth tremors. Stone age damage limitation??





Tsunami is a Japanese word relating to a shock wave which travels across the surface of the ocean as a result of a violent occurance such as an underwater earthquake and although rare has been noted many times over the centuries.  A small number of tsunami have had sufficient power to cause serious damage to coastal areas of Japan. The phenomenon can be readily demonstrated by dropping a pebble into a still water lake.  A bow wave emanates in all directions and it's advance rate is directly related to the size of the pebble and the speed with which it strikes.  The angle of strike is significant.If the pebble falls vertically upon the surface of the water the point of impact is the centre of a perfect circle described by the resultant bow-wave.  The "splash" at the impact point has all it's force lines (vectors) arranged more or less 'vertically'. Think of an open umbrella and you've got the picture. If the strike is angled off the vertical an oval pattern ensues. But the 'back' of the oval tends to describe an arc of a circle centred on the impact point.  The resultant wave is not a true  oval.  As the impact angle decreases the oval shape becomes more and more accentuated.  The difference in height between the 'back' of the wave and the 'front' increases.  Oddly the advance SPEED of the wave is the same in all directions.  It's Kinetic  energy at a point is variably related to impact angle. The Kinetic energy of a wave has vertical and horizontal components. The Horizontal component is what throws a wave up on the beach at Spanish Point to give a surfer something to work on.  The vertical component is what gives him the ride.  Lotsa vertical Lotsa distance for our surfer.  But the vertical component determines the height of  the wave when it crashes onto the beach.  If you put a cliff in the path of the wave, the vertical and horizontal components combine to hammer the cliff.



The coast can cope with normal waves normally.  By and large, the
coast slows down the wave by absorbing it's power and progressively
converts Kinetic into Potential as the wave climbs the beach.  It then
reconverts it into Kinetic at the top of climb so the wave falls back
into the ocean, partly opposing the Kinetic energy of the next wave.

But if the power of an individual wave were IMMENSE it would be so
high and so rapid that there would be no contest at the beach head.
Such a wave would just keep going and once it breached the coastal
barrier it could keep going for a long time.  There would be nothing
to stop it.

Now imagine a tsunami 1000 feet high travelling a bit South of due
East making a track of about 100° at 400 mph, hitting the coast at
Tralee Bay.  It would pour in over the coast, channelling between the
Slieve Mish mountains on Dingle penninsula and Stack's mountains to
the Northwest.  The wave would travel East, indundating Castleisland
and climbing up and over the high ground between there and Newmarket.
This climb would sap an awful lot of its forward speed but immense
quantities of water would 'make it' across the high ground and into
the valley of the Blackwater.  It would now be a flood looking for
somewhere to flow out.

But at the same time a secondary incursion should have entered via Dingle Bay at Killorglin and having inundated Killarney should have met up with the Tralee incursion at Millstreet. The Derrynasaggart range would modify the direction of the now combined spills to make good a
resultant track of 100'.  The combined flow would be held on this
track (influenced by the Bogeragh mountains) to inundate Mallow. The
combination of the Ballyhoura range to the north and Nagle's to the
South would channel it East towards the Knockmealdowns and it would
inundate Lismore and Cappoquin.  By now almost all it's immensely
destructive power would be spent but there would be an awful lot of
water trying to get back to sea level.

Kilgreany is about four miles east of Cappoquin. The cave is like a
gaping mouth pointing towards the approaching water which by now is
between ten and twenty feet deep travelling at maybe forty miles an
hour and washing along anything in its path.  Kilgreany picks up
it's evidence and the flood washes out into Dungarvan Bay five miles
East.  The Biblical flood has occurred.  Devastation has destroyed
much of Ireland.  Everything settles down and nature is given two
thousand years to make good the country and leave it open to the
next wave of invaders. The Celts arrived from about 800BC to a land
of forests, eskers and bogs none of which were there in 2000BC.

Now for the nuclear explosion which radiated KILGREANY A! Shoemaker Levy struck Jupiter as a shower of bits.  Let us consider a 'WHAT IF' for the earth strike we are hypothesising.  WHAT IF a separate piece came in on a trajectory which would have led to an impact just off
the Western coast.  This lump is about sixty feet wide and weighs
about 100kg.  Remember it's composition is as a loose snowball.




Speed is same as the big bit but this simulation starts at the edge
of the troposphere 120km out. It would have two seconds to impact.
It's tiny size makes it react differently to the big bit.  Entering
the upper athmosphere it is progressively compacted from the front.
You remember that the first thing to come into the fly's mind as he
hit the windscreen was his arse?  HE got compacted from a three
dimensional fly to a one dimensioned splat in a thrice!!

The snowball will compact parabolically from a sixty foot sphere to
a six inch cone in less than a second. It is now 60 km out and
massively decelerating.  But its temperature has gone up from Kelvin
zero to 500000+ in about one second.  When it gets onto that kind of
temperature gradient it goes into hyper-drive because, although the
speed is reducing, the pressure and friction is increasing.  During
the next second, things get somewhat frantic.  It is now five Km over
the surface.  It volume has gone down to three inches and it's
temperature is on a massive parabolic climb through 1,000,000° K.

Atomic science takes over as a chain reaction at atomic level pushes
atoms and electrons together to produce every atom in the Periodic
table one after another.  In rapid order radium, actinium and
thallium climbs into plutonium and einsteinium and a nuclear
explosion is in-evitable.  But by the time the big bang comes the
focal centre is down to 4km and is sitting over the west coast about
15000' above sea level.  It's trajectory is 45' and the blast hits
the surface less than two seconds later radiating every living and
dead creature not protected by rock-shielding and spraying them with
isotopes not even currently dreamt of by nuclear physicists.

The tsunami caused by the parent snowball is just about to form but
400 miles west.  By the time it arrives at Tralee in an hour's time
there is almost nobody alive to worry about getting drowned. The
secondary nuclear explosions scattered all over Western Europe from
the Hebrides to southern Spain and the associated effects of the
tsumami which causes gargantuan damage all along the Western
coast of Europe gives rise to the folk memory which will later
(1000BC) cause the ancient Celtic chief in Hungary when asked if
there is anthing he fears to say quietly "I fear nothing but that
the sky will fall on me".

This legend has been chronicled in every culture where a Celtic
infuence is felt: ie. right around the basin of the Mediterranean.
It centres on the Steppes of Hungary but is found in North Africa &
Brittany.  The Breton legend has come into modern "folklore" with
that eminent Gaul/Celt ASTERIX.  Avid followers of the diminutive
thorn in the side of the Roman Empire will be familiar with the fact
that ASTERIX fears nothing but 'that the sky might fall on him'.

Even the Bible has it's reference to Fire and Brimstone being used
to wipe out two townfuls of undesirables whose chief interest was in
placing their rigid organs of reproduction in orifices not designed
for such purposes.  The Bible also tells of flooding on a massive
scale and the widespread destruction of life and civilizations.
Biblical scholars (in a literary rather than religous sense) agree
that the Flood COULD be dated to 1800BC+/-300 and the destruction of
Sodom and Gommorah COULD fit in the same timescale.





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