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Faith vs Faith
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Faith is a funny thing.




Faith according to is as follows:


FAITH –noun


confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.



belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.



belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.



belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.



a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.



the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.



the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.



Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.


The Bible defines faith this way:

Hebrews11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (KJV)

Faith is a funny thing.  Those who have procured science as their belief system often reject religious belief because it is based on faith.  It cannot be scientifically proven, so faith can have no real basis in fact, and cannot be true .  Truth, they say, must have some basis in scientifically provable fact.

Yes, Christianity is based on faith.  We all come to saving grace by faith.  Luke 7:50, Ephesians 2:8, 1Timothy 2:15 are just three among many verse that demonstrate that faith is indeed, the only means by which we can be saved. 

Science believers love to point to our faith and tag it with the word ‘blind’.  This is where they make their ‘fatal’ mistake.  Our faith is not blind.  It is self-evident.  Our faith has proven itself to us over and over again.  I’m sure that every believer can tell stories of how their faith proved to be a fact in their lives.  The proof of our faith cannot be passed on to non-believers because it is self-proven.  It must be experienced.  Explaining it to someone who has never experienced it would be like trying to explain the taste of ice cream to someone who has never tasted anything sweet.

But what often goes unspoken, what we often fail to point out to our science-believing friends, is that they too cling to a whole list of unproven, unscientific faith.  And they cling to their faith just as fervently as do Christians; more so really, because their faith cannot be proven to anyone, even themselves.  Their faith cannot even be self realized, it is truly blind faith.  Here are just a few examples:



In the beginning there was nothing.  This nothing exploded and eventually became everything.  (There is no way to prove this – ever.  It is not scientific – it is based entirely on faith.)



Life evolved through the process of natural selection.  (Not one single missing link has ever been produced to prove any one of the many transitional periods that must have taken place between the appearances of one species to the next.  Therefore, it is not based on scientific evidence but entirely on faith.)

The age of the Earth and the things on it.  Even though carbon dating has many times been proven to be very inaccurate, the scientific community continues to point to carbon dating as evidence of their Old Earth theory, which they call fact.  They will also often disregard their own “scientific facts” that shed some evidence of a young Earth to continue to propagate their Old Earth faith.  They seem to forget about the Ice Age they say is a fact, and how this intruding, and receding ice could have carved much of the Earth’s surfaces that they say must have taken millions of years. They don’t consider that the worldwide flood they also believe (by scientific findings – we believers call it Noah’s flood) occurred, could have very easily caused the sediment rock layering that they want to point to as evidence to their faith in science.  While this may be based on science, it could very well be based on faulty science that their faith cannot allow them to consider.

I contend that the faith of Christianity is far easier to believe than the faith of science.  Time and time again, science has been proven wrong.  Time and time again, science has produced fakes.  If Christianity ever did this, it would be over for us.  But not science, it just keeps on keeping on. 

Believing in science just takes too must faith, faith that has no chance of ever being proven.  Not even in a self-realizing way.  It takes far less faith to look upon this marvelous world of such intricate order and spectacular design and believe that someone made it on purpose, than to believe it all happened by mere chance.  






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Reviewed by Paul Kogel 5/26/2009
You are a very funny man, Keith. You really should consider a career in comedy. When it comes to the science’s you mention, some of which we no longer ‘believe’ in but ‘know’ about, of course we Christians accept these things. I see that you have completely (purposely, I think) missed my point. By the way, the appendix thing you mentioned shows that you really need to do some more research. They have discovered that the appendix was a necessary organ in the development of that thing you like to call a fetus. This is why I mentioned science makes mistakes. If they look around long enough, maybe they will continue to find God’s handiwork just as they have here. I have no idea about giraffe necks, but since you have so little true understanding of the appendix thing, I don’t think it wise to accept your explanation about giraffes.

Expanding universe? So what? What does that prove? Science? Hardly. No, only that science has discovered this fact. You say, “So this proves the big bang, or at least provides some evidence of it.” I say, “So God made it that way. It was the method he used to make it happen.” How is your answer any more scientific than mine? It’s not. It’s called faith. I say, “If there was a big bang, God made it happen.” You say, “If there was a big bang, it happened by accident.” Who is right? By the way, “science” should really rename this so-called event, because the name itself is against what we know from science. You see, if there was just a vast empty vacuum of outer space and somehow an explosion happened – there would be no bang. There is no sound in outer space. Also, you said that science freely admits that the concept of a state preceding the big bang is difficult – that’s where you are wrong – it is not difficult at all, it is impossible scientifically. But you believe it. Hum - sounds like blind faith to me.

You, as every Christian hater I have ever met, like to say that religion has given us wars. First of all, we’re not talking about ‘religion’. We are talking about God, science and Christian religion – not “Religion” covering other types of religion. But since you brought it up, do you really think that “War” is caused by Christianity? You will, no doubt point first to the Crusades. Fine, you’re right. There were other battles fought as well. Many more however, in regards to Christians, were attacks against Christians and Christianity. And what about all the other wars in the world? Were any of these fought over something other than Christianity? Of course they were. Most wars have been fought over territory, greed, natural resources, man’s lust for power, etc. But, you worshipers of Science like to point to those caused by Christianity. Why? Because you hate Christians, probably because they call out your god Science. And it is also worth noting that if it wasn’t for science providing the destructive tools of war, we would still be fighting with sticks and stones instead of weapons of mass destruction.

Finally, I hate to break it to you, but science has NOT disproved what you call, the creation myth. What it has done over the years, however, is prove that along with its many wonderful and useful discoveries, it has also developed a belief system that God haters love to worship. They have created their own god called “Science” which they fervently, jealously and fanatically display an admirable grand measure of blind faith. Accept for the many scientists that do, in fact, believe in God, of course. There are many, just not as many.

Thank you, Keith, for commenting on my article and for quite nicely proving my point.
Reviewed by Keith Rowley 5/26/2009
I disagree. Without science we'd still be throwing bones instead of transplanting organs, and walking instead of flying. Without science, you and I would probably not be alive - how many times has science saved your life? Who do you go to see when you're ill: A doctor or a faith healer? As for origins of species, and the proof for evolution, think of your appendix, or the routing of arteries through a giraffe's neck in completely senseless ways - is this design?!!!.

Like many religious people, you deny science even whilst benefiting from its bounty.

With respect to cosmic origins, science freely admits that the concept of a state preceding the Big Bang is difficult, as time itself unfolds as a function of space. And yes - science has proved the universal expansion again and again and again. Try and open your mind a little and conceive of four dimensional space-time unwrapping in a five-dimensional envelope - that's the best way to conceive of space as expanding at every point. And here's the rub: science has METHOD. It's hardly surprising that many scientific hypotheses have proven incorrect - that's exactly what happens when humans exercise their minds and speculate intelligently. The theories that do prove correct give us medicine, space flight, and insights into the nature of reality. Without it we'd still be living on a flat earth praising Zeus or Jehovah or some other fictitious being amid the squalor of our all too brief and sordid lives.

Religion on the other hand has given us war, strife, division and the concept of ignorance as a virtue. FYI I am a somewhat spiritual person, but I do not permit this to interfere with my rational faculties, as do all too many religious folk.

Hood luck with the faith healers!
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