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love amoral- death the gateway to divine reward
5/24/2011 12:51:09 PM    [ Flag as Inappropriate ]

A diaLogue over the edge

 to Eric

show details May 20 (2 days ago)

 There will come a point in everyone's life when this question should arise: - was my life worth dying for?

and only very rarely another one, shocking but to put it as my own: - could this decrepit old man be the closest thing nature may have come to claim as Stewart.

have a good day.


and now that you had coffee and you are feeling better I can tell you that the true meaning of the first question is its reverse...ahahaa!


-let me see how it works out-

- Was my death worth living for?

Yeah , it works, and it better! it is unique, singular and original standing against an ocean of copies, clones,echoes etc.

It stands alone... IT MUST BE RIGHT!


I am quite lost in all this, i must admit...


as for the above syntheses  which you find problematic, they are defining a major paradigm shift-[ it seems that knowledge advances in jerks or proceeds one way till it loses its impetus then  unexpectedly shifts. A bit like a lake turning over in spring uh] - So your problem is typical for one who has followed an argument in a gradual ascendency adding satisfactory ad hoc confirmations along the way and them wham ! the Big bang is out and maybe plasma takes over.

The major shift here, is that we have proceeded for millennia adding to the major uncontested assumption that life is the main event either by fiat or by evolution. And I am proposing here and in over 7 years of writing , in The book of maybes. blogs etc etc that the opposite is true. That life is but a means, and a classically profligate approach by nature to a completely different awesome and simultaneously discrete main event; a supreme conception.

Recall the 27 lines... try to strand things together see if it works for you..

- you see , the end will not come when a book or a calendar says it will, but when I or some other living being wills it.

And this idea has all kinds of precedents! ...

  - Goethe:   If you do not know how to do these two things-   to die and be reborn...

  - Freud:  The purpose of life is death- 

 Unfortunately I have not found out if he has developed a reasoning behind it other than the obvious fact that all living things are more or less given a span of life that is necessary for their species' insured survival and continued production of death. It is only in our species, where the prolonged stay seems to indicate a ancillary purpose..[.I have no idea what ancillary means. language is getting fuzzy as the notions come more corporeal than ever .

  So where was I ? Oh yes I often wondered about Hamlet's monologue- which is ostensibly about suicide- and how Shakespeare of all people never touched on the positive, celebratory and heroic potential. Was it because the drama constrained him? Did He understand that unlike the relative and peace meal potential for drama offered by life's confrontations which established a hero's measure, the confrontation with death is of infinite and eternal character and grandeur? I am still an ignorant man, is there a myth or a drama which describes a contest between the two orders? Is such a conflict only circumscribed as a local conflict, like Pinocchio, or body and soul.  Faust, Werher etc etc. Ok then there is the taking a chance aspect- I remember Gordy shivering when I told him my idea .-- ooooh you are taking an awful chance, he said shivering.... but isn't that exactly it?!  Are we to sheep along.. hope and grovel as a very poor substitute if not a shabby interpretation of unconvinced faithfuls?  Or, on the other hand, as the atheist that are satisfied with the negation and the ensuing barren  fatalism? Or  are we indeed to elevate our stature by the measure of our willingness and courage to confront our greatest fear... nay , do not even tally in the details of it, just determine in which direction lays the greatest enemy, the greatest danger, and charge!

I-Charge!? you might say- but what if there is nothing beyond it? where is the reword? what if i just die/?/

- Hahaa! there is the beauty of it, the moment you decide to risk it all you achieve all that you ca be, you create it! Just as when you think that your only chance is on being cautious and hope for intercessors to save you, you forfeit it all. A system that although within a greater system only serves itself no matter how splendidly or even heroically , it is no more than an hour on the stage full of sound and fury signifying nothing-

It is a dead system. Until and unless one frees itself of it and in so doing, masters it all...

In life -fear of death- is the necessary hurdle that establishes the measure of the challenge, hence the measure of the reward  de facto conferred on those who have the vision and dare. 'tis a lot like climbing mt Everest. standing on top a few minutes and bragging rights for the rest of your life do not really do it for you. The reward  is in the willingness of  taking great risk,  of making the effort and surviving the hardships.. 

Life that is dedicated to serve itself it is like a corpse waiting for its demise to be made official  

To Eric

show details May 20 (2 days ago)


Now a major axial age awaits (I sound cocky sure of myself but I feel it is justified by my established conviction  that I, THE MIND I am fitted with, cannot reap fruits out of season,)  this paradigm shift has to occur because  the ground from which we survey our situation, derive our  values ,determine our direction and design our future has moved consistently under our feet  and enough over the past 3 centuries to topple our relatively new idols.

 Cosmic Science , on  its highest and widest arch  of knowledge, has become as esoteric and unapproachable as the priesthood's an oracles' it had replaced.

Other branches with their  practical application are indeed forging ahead, but the high science that had replaced theology and affected -philosophy and psychology - 3 centuries + ago, offers  no longer any relevance to the world at large. They have become intellectual snobs  hanging around their ivory towers of   misfunctional academia and misapplied mathematics. Inf fact they are in such a quandary that as a diversion they have rekindled the science/religion controversy which they would not  deign otherwise and which the churches appreciate and recognize as a sign of weakness.

  quote-  We know much more of what the universe was doing a minute after the big bang, than we know what it is doing now!

  - yeah, sure!-

*** part two

-Love amoral


ok, here it goes: 

  -The two brightest most dependable and determinant guiding notions on which your life depends are false. 
-Love, the powerful sentiment on which you consistently identified as your greatest attribute, most noble and best if not only hope for good, peace and harmony to prevail in the world is the most callous but effective engine of natural selection.
-Death, the other rail which conspired to convey, grade and process you according to your disposition to the apparently extreme foe is in fact your narrow gateway to the condition of the divine.
- love promises but destroys those who are lured to it. 
- Death repulses but immediately glorifies those who are not dissuaded.
It is a quest "game" conceived by an omniscient mind in which Gods and Men pieces once placed on this board are equal and interchangeable and their ultimate status determined only by their performances.

P.S. Eric, are you aware that the sentence : I love you is grammatically incorrect and that everyone using it does not and cannot understand what they mean by it. For instance, If I say - I like you, I am saying something about you that is agreeable. But were i to say I love you , I would not be saying anything about you nor complimenting you in any ways but simply stating a pathological addiction you effect in me which makes you indispensable to my well being and which I expect you to feel obligated to maintain

Other expressions may just be idioms, meaning comprehending, assimilating etc.  like eating a lion  or "During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive..."  An obvious one is drinking, or drinking from my mouth. So how does all this help me understand the Guy in #98, with a terrible foe or a big problem?  How does it relate him to the kingdom of heaven.  At this point it is obvious that i must ask myself if what the "Kingdom of heaven" evokes in me is  the same or even somewhat similar to what the great teacher was referring to. The answer had better be negative. One of the reason that attracted me so much to this gospel was precisely because here i did not have to deal with a comic superhero but with a real person. So I must try to determine what a sage in the wake of the Golden age might have had in mind when replying to questions about the other place or the other third of reality. I say the other third because I take it for granted that it is commonly accepted that the minimum number of elements involved in a situation that can be defined as real are three= subject , object and awareness. O hell! Let me just say that His awareness was something else. This something else is to be looked for in the true meaning of #98,97,96 and others. I Feel I may have a better chance of finding the key to the kingdom with # 98 simply because I have been able to free my attention from the details of the scenario to arrive at its essence which is simply a Classic dilemma.  Now I can concentrate on what the problem may be. I know- from the original scene- that It is a powerful problem, that the man needs to build his confidence,  that its solution involves violence and requires absolute decisiveness. This factors plus the sayings in  1, 2, and the part of 13 that goes : Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you." tells me that the approach to this version of the "heavenly Kingdom" is not for the fainthearted, certainly not for the grovelers and not even for the virtuous. In Fact it reminds me of a high narrow ledge above a impenetrable dark and seemingly bottomless void. I would say a fair definition of death. Gameteus would say- that which one has to be able to deliver onself to it thus conquering it by defiance.
Deliverance Comes tremendous.

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•  love amoral- death the gateway to divine reward - Tuesday, May 24, 2011  
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• A good Time To die [does the universe have a purpose!?!] - Thursday, May 12, 2011
• man's greatest intellectual achievement - Monday, May 09, 2011
• seeking teachers - Thursday, May 05, 2011
• missing the obvious - Sunday, May 01, 2011
• retooling - Sunday, May 01, 2011
• big bang is no brainer - Sunday, April 10, 2011
• Bradley Manning vs National Shame. - Thursday, March 10, 2011
• scum - Saturday, January 29, 2011
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• on omissions, 2 - Wednesday, September 15, 2010
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