Limits and Boundaries within God
[thoughts from a burning woman]
Can any species of ISSA evolve itself spiritually while insisting on setting limits to everything it touches?
At a certain level of awareness, beyond the instinct for basic survival, the ISSA being encounters a new kind of fear. A fear much more dreadful and terrible than that caused by the appearance of the predator and the certainty of death. A fear that the cold terror of a predator will not go away even after one's painful death in its teeth and claws.
Why this happens, I don't know, but that is how it is. So to counteract this new information; to find some modicum of peace, the awakening ISSA looks into the fear, the cloud of permanent death in endless pain and loss and "sees" beyond it someone who has the power to change his fate. A great being or supreme being; a creator; a God. This gives rise to a whole new set of choices through new rules for living. It's not just basic survival anymore. It's living by stringent laws. It's worshipping. It's giving up one's nature so it may be re-made to conform to that God's desires. It's obedience. It's responsibility guided by a moral code. And most certainly it's a point of no return.
What is a god? Obviously someone greater than the believer. What is God? That is the Supreme Creator beyond whom there is nothing: no continuity; no life; no infinity. The best description of God I've ever seen is an opaque sphere that is the containment field for all that exists and all that exists is made by, kept alive by, depends entirely on, and is the undisputable property of, God.
Lots of things happen within that sphere. To the spiritually short-sighted awakening ISSA that is a truly huge place. It seems to have no limits. Who apart from God, in any conceivable length of measurable "time" could ever see to the end of this sphere? Rhetorical: can't happen, ever. Why? Because there is nothing outside of the sphere. So goes the story.
So the point is that as long as there is God there have to be limitations to everything. The great creator must in time become the greatest tyrant imaginable. He must, to safeguard his creation, prevent any of it from escaping his control. Within the sphere they can't escape. They can be disobedient but all their acts can be dealt with, and surely will be. Life within the sphere is a specific culture and it is kept jealously apart from "anything else" which of course, to the ISSA I'm talking about, does not exist.
Now imagine an ISSA mind that goes a little wonky, after repeated assaults within the sphere. A mind or individual essence that after much suffering, begins to long for life beyond God's control. It has reached an understanding that as long as it functions within that control, it will suffer. It doesn't know why that is, but it knows this. The mind becomes rebellious and daring. It flies off here and there on wild tangents, testing the waters and the air currents. It looks at ideas and theories about everything. It exercises its own power of reasoning against that of the Deity in question. It decides to break free of the collective mindset that insists life ends in the annihilation of the self, or is saved (makes sense) only through believing in God, however nebulous that concept is.
The mind practices free fall and eventually comes to land painfully against the shell of the sphere. It looks for openings. There are none but eventually cracks are found and by painstaking search it finds one just wide enough to slip through. Now comes a momentous decision: should it break out, risking who knows what, or should it give up and return to same old, same old because really, there is no escape from the sphere except in what promises to be an even worse fate?
That choice you too will make when you find that crack.
The point being made is that life is infinite. That is its nature. It cannot be naturally contained within a belief system, any belief system. God, the great creator and of necessity maker of laws can only exist (have power over) as a belief system. There are many today who still believe in God but proudly proclaim they practice no organized or recognized form of Religion. What a wonderful illusion they have concocted for themselves! Whoever believes in God is completely immersed, body, mind and soul, in Religion!
What about those who believe there is no God? Are they free of God? That's the other side of the marvelous illusion because they are still within the sphere and at every turn they must encounter that which can only be of God. Laws and certain moral aspects of behaviour without which, so they think, Earthians would forever be at each other's throat, killing each other and taking each other's things. Do they realize it is the pressure cooker of living within the unnatural limitations of the sphere; the pressure to conform; that creates these eternal problems? But how could they? They are not permitted to even imagine life outside the sphere. One of the most basic sub-routines of the soul programming is to prevent the "soulful" from such imagining.
Who then can be free? I can still see my teachers smiling sadly for they earned their own freedom under difficult and painful circumstances. I still hear them expounding these simple, infinite truths about life outside the sphere:
"Believe all things, believe in nothing."
"When none of it matters, it will all be yours."
"Life at the highest levels known to us is all giving."
"In the lower worlds compassion becomes the greatest force."
"Beware assertions not demonstrable by those who make them nor backed by personal experience: they are lies."
"The truly humble always gravitate to the highest places."
"The only word in your language that can properly describe the "oneness" you seek is 'everything'."
Filled with this understanding I open my arms wide to encompass that "everything" and realize that all of it is flowing outward from me endlessly. Yet for all that, as long as I do not think I am doing this, I remain full and expectant. And each new step is a discovery, both sorrowful and joyful.
But I'm still confused about the chicken and the egg
And about ISSA but I'm
Going to check Google
Then I'm going to read this article once more!!
Peace Love and hugsss to you....Morning Star
Sheila
The simple truths expounded by the Teachers who managed to break away from and lived outside the sphere are really marvelous. Sadly, I have observed that these are either ignored or are gradually becoming an obsolesence where I live.
Lastly, let me tell you, my friend, that this article created some turmoil in my own small mind. But I am sure glad that you have written and posted these deep thoughts. And I hope that my comments have done justice to this splendid article.
Love and Peace my friend.
Sincerely,
Regino
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REG... This posting reminds me of an old course I had in college MATH - SETS, SUBSETS, UNION, INTERSECTION, et cetera.
Then, I remembered the axiom, "A Whole is Equal to the Sum of its Parts."
So then, how do we define a WHOLE? Is a HOLE part of the WHOLE? Are Believers part of the Whole? Are Non-Believers part of the Hole?
Chicken? Egg? Chicken? God? NO God? Heaven? Hell? IF Heaven, is it part of the WHOLE?
IF Hell, is it part of the HOLE?
Then I REVERSED the letters --- ASSI - instead of ISSA, it makes an ASS out of I ...
I ARE AN ASS, ERGO I EXIST!
Like TRANSCENDENTAL MEDITATION, it all just gives me a HEADACHE!
Q.E.D. - NO EARTHLING, OR ISSA BEING, OR WHATEVER, WILL EVER FATHOM THE ANSWERS TO SUCH PONDERINGS - AND EVEN IF - HE/SHE/IT EVER DID, WILL NEVER POSSESS THE WHEREWITHAL TO RETURN AND COMMENT UPON SUCH PROFOUND NON-IGNORANCE!
Methinks SHA'TARA should GET A LIFE! Whether that life is part of the WHOLE, or part of the HOLE, matters not! AD INFINITUM STRETCHES AD NAUSEUM!
Peace... Tom.
P.S. --- RE: Lady J.'s --- Good Orderly Direction - WORKS FOR ME!
I have one question...whats an ISSA?
The material universe is too vast, too infinite to our little brain to grasp, the spiritual universe is totally beyond our comprehention.
Then like a Pythagorean equation "we are to limits and boundaries like God are to..."
You got it?
Georg
This article really saddened me to be honest, Of course you know my stance on God, Jesus and the HS, so I don't need to do a big rave bout that....But Limits and boundaries within God!
Of course there are! Who can look at the Sun for very long with the naked eye, and not end up blind! Who can withstand the scorching rays of the Sun....We know that from first hand experience here in the Land downunder...So my point being, is that GOD, being as an all consuming fire, which he is, though we are created in his likeness, is waaaaaaaaaay to glorious, bright, awesome, mindblowing etc, for us mere mortals ( by our own choice) for now, to look upon without being consumed away. That's scriptural.
We didn't get here by ourselves, we didnt create nothing, but trouble. Everything we do invent is a by product of the earths already well stocked pantry of elements and resources, so we arent as clever as we think..we just make inferior inventions that render this planet, our home for now, disgusting.
We kill, steal,lie, cheat,abuse, etc etc, cause we choose too, not because God puts limits on us. We subscribe to his enemy when we do this, and ignore is pleading to do right.
If we suffer oppression, consider who it is that stirs up all the tripe to start with!
PPL talk much of God, and hang it all on him, but speak little of his adversary whom he had to dismiss from his goverment, before corruption swept through the entirety of the heavenly realms.
So, now we got the choice, to serve the SUPREME being, or to Serve the insurgent who tried to Kill God's SON, and who is responsible for all the misery down here. FOR NOW!!
I really get a bit wrialled when ppl hang it on God, His SON, Jesus, and call this planet HELL, HUH, hell is when God finally shows his face... those that did not care to know him, will simply not be able to stand in his glory, it's that simple.. His all consuming glory will be as a fire that melts us away.
I know whom I'd rather pledge my allegience, WHY, the one who created all this to start with, why not, I think it's arrogance to attempt to belittle the Supreme being of the entire universe anyway,
DUH try stooopid.
MY two cents worth
God Bless
Ch'erie
Take care, Pierre
Have you heard of the God Horus? His story is almost the same as
the Jeaus story. A connection between Jesus and Horus-Osiris is frequently raised by critics of the historicity of Jesus, who argue that he was a mythical figure (see Jesus-Myth). Superficially, the death and resurrection of Horus-Osiris, and Horus' nature as both the son of Osiris and Osiris himself, appear to be a template for the idea that this occurred in Jesus.
There could be a God, but we may be our own God's..
Too many stories do fly around about what is what concerning God, Jesus, heaven and hell.
When I Look at a totem pole I have been in awwww about the top man with wings like most people (how nice that might be) but what really fascinated me was the one on the bottom. The one no-one notices perhaps. Yes that one is most important because it holds the rest of them up, the one on the bottom is the one with the most strength & even wisdom. Wisdom is a very big thing & found in the smallest even unnoticeable places which are very obvious even.
I Quote Your Last Verse:
"Filled with this understanding I open my arms wide to encompass that "everything" and realize that all of it is flowing outward from me endlessly. Yet for all that, as long as I do not think I am doing this, I remain full and expectant. And each new step is a discovery, both sorrowful and joyful."
These are truely beautiful words free from attachments of selfishness, greed, pride, and so much Selfless Unconditional Love
EMBRASSSE"
Love & Hugs Vickie
While (God) May Have Created Heavens,etc. He Did Not Create Planet Earth,i.e. Satan Devil Did His Continuing Evil Will Carry $ Greed Mongering Man $ Into His Your Own Eternal Oblivion Holy Hell...
You We Are Already Living In It HELL... LOOK AROUND YOU AT REALITY,i.e. When Nothing Matters But Your Own Self Centered INEQUITIES------ONENESS IS CONFORMITY IS GREED!
TRASK