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The Limits of Jesus in His Church
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The Christian spirit world consists of only four things: God, Jesus, souls and the devil. All else defaults to the latter. Reality is only God, humans and inert matter. Are we allowed to find out anything more yet?

Isn’t it amazing how restricted we are from the spirit world. First God gave the Commandment to have no other God but He. So we shut down all spiritual knowledge outside of the specific consciousness of God. Then we were given access to one soul as proof that both God exists and souls enter an afterlife. From that restriction we have had to figure everything out spiritually.

What an interesting prison we are in. And more interesting, that we have accepted it.

We are trying awfully hard now to break out of this prison. But when reality to us, in essence, is only God, humans and the equivalent of inert matter, we are having a very difficult time of it.

Creation is much more than this simple trinity. And Creation is much more simple than our complex theology. But the Christian perspective is wholly human-centered, as much as we think it is God-centered. God is defined by the services He renders unto us.

What is outside of this pipe, with humans at the one end and God at the other? Science is making great gains with its perspective using physics. How can we find out what is outside of the pipe spiritually to help us answer the question we have not been able to answer: what is Jesus? Who are we? And what is reality if we know it is something fundamentally spiritual?

Those are dangerous questions when one has to confront them. Are Christians as courageous as the early scientists were in challenging our taboos? Are we ready to admit that we misinterpreted the Commandment? Yes, we shall have no other God, but the Creator did not say that the spirit world did not exist. Just don’t worship the other spirits as God. We dropped the ball on that one.

Now we have wiped out all other spiritual knowledge in our ignorance and we are scrambling to explore what’s left in the world to see how the Church can absorb it like it did Aristotle, Plato and Socrates. Jesus is the center leading to God. He is the light in the darkness, but we created much of the darkness ourselves. Now, we do not know what is in the darkness that the Light is standing in. We are fixated on the human soul that got so close to God. Yet why have we made no progress in the debate about who He is? What was the condition of His reality that we cannot grasp? He knew He was standing in something more than the inert matter we could perceive. And the inert matter responded. How could He manipulate matter with just a thought? What made Him so special as to be chosen to see what we were not allowed to? And more importantly, what did He know that we have barely penetrated?

Do we really appreciate our limits? Do we know what creates our limits? We only have the Bible, coincidences that answer prayers, and the wisps of wisdom that come to our thoughts. Is there anything more? Are we allowed to know it yet?


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Reviewed by Brock Shaver
Reviewed on September 29, 2006
We are homogenized now into love. It is a Given. The grain of Jesus helped the clam of civilization finally create a pearl. God is love. And so are we. Now what? Is it time to move forward?

Reviewed by Dove JoAnne Cromp (Reader)
Reviewed on September 28, 2006
You raise profound debates and questions. I always refer back to 1 corinthuins 13 where paul talks about love..I try to go by it..I see alot of people in ym church that do not possess the fruits of the spirit..Pauls says~ If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.
And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.
If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, (love) is not pompous, it is not inflated,
it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,
it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.
For we know partially and we prophesy partially,
but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known.
So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

.. So this is where I try to get the fresh right perspective..There are gifts I have and cannot talk about them with my pastor..So, I know God placed them there for a reason..But I also know the church doesn't have all the answers..They are just earth shepherds and they do not know it all..I feel God loves us, sent His only Son to take on all the stains of the world, backwards and forwards in time He died for us all..There is no church that knows it all or is perfect and we may have spiritual gifts that the church doesn't believe you should have or use..I do not agree with it...I have always been an outsider, never fitting in and having special gifts..Anyway, you raise a powerful doctrinal teaching here..God bless you
In Christ Love,
Dove


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Reviewed by Elizabeth Taylor (Reader)
Reviewed on September 28, 2006
You are so right. Religion encourages ignorance.
A very thoughtful article. I find organized religion full of so many devils, it is hard to find Jesus or God in any of them. Seeking the spiritual should be a private matter, not wholesale selling of Jesus or God like a BigMac.
Enjoyed reading.

Elizabeth

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